make the golf course a public sex forest: interview with lyn & jimmy!

radical love letter #85 | on the limits & potential of radical sex

Today I am very excited to bring you a conversation with Lyn and jimmy, the editors of Make the Golf Course a Public Sex Forest. As you’ll read below, this collection was born of debate in a Minneapolis neighborhood about the fate of a golf course. As a joke, Lyn made signs that said “Make the Golf Course a Public Sex Forest,” which became so popular they decided to turn the concept into a book. The call for submissions asked for essays, fiction, and erotica that broadly engaged with sex and the forest; the result is a delightful and eclectic collection of smut, history, theory, all at the intersections of various kinds of deviant sex.

The editors and contributors (of which I am one) are all very much part of a subculture of radical queer ways of being in the world. We are paying homage to the long history of people who found belonging in and ways to resist repressive sexual norms through cruising, public sex, BDSM, and other queer kinky positionalities. This is an unapologetically filthy little book, and so of course our conversation goes to NSFW places. Also note that the use of “fag” and “dyke” are used by people who self-identify as fags and dykes (in the book and the interview below), so no need to call the slur police, please and thanks!

If you’d like to read more about the history and context that paved the way for these ideas, modalities, and politics to emerge, I suggest John D’Emilio, José Muñoz, Lou Sullivan, Patrick Califia, Gayle Rubin, Samuel Delaney, ACT UP oral history, and all the other writers I’ve been recommending all month!

Finally, I’m doing a giveaway for the book! If you don’t already have a copy of Make the Golf Course a Public Sex Forest, or if you want to win one to gift to someone else, now is your chance. You will be entered in a drawing if you do the following: 1) are or become a paid subscriber of the newsletter (even just a month counts!); 2) comment below that you want to be included; 3) share this post on Twitter or Instagram and tag me. I’ll pick a winner to announce in the Friday newsletter, where I’ll also be sharing my weird and hot essay from the book. Then I’ll mail you the book with some extra surprise goodies! <3 

Enjoy the conversation in either audio form or the transcript below. (All three of us were being kind of tangent-y, which makes for harder reading, so I do recommend the audio over the edited and condensed written convo, if that’s accessible!) 

Raechel: Hello, friends, thank you for joining me for this radical love letter newsletter interview edition. Would you both introduce yourselves? Names, pronouns, and I don't know something fun like… what you ate for breakfast today.

Lyn: Yeah, sure. My name is Lynn Correl. My pronouns are they/them. For breakfast today I had some oatmeal and some breakfast sausage…

jimmy: I’m jimmy, he/him, for breakfast today I had an egg sandwich on a roll with some mayo, some chili garlic, some greens, a piece of ham, egg and cheese. 

Raechel Wow! jimmy, are you like, are you a cook? 

jimmy: Breakfast is my thing.

Raechel:  I love that….Okay, so we are here today to talk about this wonderful book that I am so incredibly happy and honored to be a part of called Make the Golf Course a Public Sex Forest. Could you share the background of how this all started, and why you felt like it was important to turn into a book.

Lyn: Yeah, definitely, so yeah, basically the genesis of the project was just that there's this golf course in Minneapolis, not too far from where we are now, it's owned by the city. And it's like in wetlands. It's like constantly sinking back into the wetlands. The lake right next to it is extremely polluted, and it's just a big money pit, and it's terrible. Some of the houses in the surrounding area are starting to like have their basements flooded and stuff. So it's just a kind of a disaster. And people were trying to like, shut the golf course down and turn it into like a park or something like that, because it's just owned by the city. But then all these people who live in the area around the golf course had all these yard signs that said ‘Save the golf course.’  Saying, ‘we need affordable golf,’ or whatever….So I just started joking about starting a different campaign to really shift the overton window, or whatever. So it was kind of a joke, but also it’s it's a nice place to go walk around at night or like in the winter. Then I made signs that said “Make the Golf Course a Public Sex Forest.’....And enough people were like, ‘You should actually, you should actually do this.’ And I made a little manifesto to go with it, cause I didn't wanna have to like extend the joke to everyone again, and again. And I kind of just thought of it as this little local niche thing. But kind of immediately from when I started sharing it with people at the zine fest that happens here, people were just like really stoked about it. And very quickly they like, went on the Internet, and people were sharing around on Instagram and Twitter. And it blew up. So then it was like ‘okay what do we do next?’ 

jimmy: Yeah, I mean, even the initial response… it's kind of like okay, this is gonna be a thing right? And then at some point we were like ‘oh do you wanna do a zine?’ and the we’re like, well ‘let’s just do a book.’ And then we put out the call for submissions, and the rest is kinda history.

Raechel: I love that story. And just how, like, punk it is. I'm also interested in how the response, as you just described was so positive and excited, and that sort of contrasts the narrative that we have of this sort of rise puritanical or sex negative or more reactionary views on sex. Some people sort of attribute this to Gen Z’s rejection of Third Wave feminism’s sex positivity, or that some people say led to ‘hookup culture’. I'm not necessarily like agreeing with or saying is the correct analysis, but I am interested in sort of the contrast of like kinky leather queer, and our sex positive elders like Gayle Rubin and Sam Delaney [that are so present in this book] all compared to what I think is also a palpable reactionary view on sex.

I'm just sort of describing what I see as sort of the lay of the land, and I'm curious what you think about why you think it had such a positive response? And what sense you make of that alongside the more sort of reactionary views.

jimmy: I mean, I think, before we really dive in, something that is so exemplary of this divide: I work in a bookstore that stocks the book, and the book is stocked right next to the desk. So I sit around all day listening to people react to this thing that I made right. And there are a number of divergent responses right, many of which are very positive, or at the very least like, ‘Oh, my God! That was a yard sign that I saw. Now it's a book that's so cool.’....

But then you get shit like a group of girls, my age. I'm Gen Z. They’re probably from the University, and they're kind of walking around the bookstore, and I'm not really listening to their conversations, and they get up next to the Sex Forest book.  And they're like oh, my God! Right, Like, what is this? And then, as they're walking away, I hear one of them say, ‘They have an erotica section, but not a romance section. That's what's wrong with our generation.’ As if the decision not to carry romance wasn't made by our founder, who is a woman who founded the business in the seventies right?

So that’s like one anecdote. I do think that presence is strong.

Raechel: That's so interesting. And also like… some of the chapters in the book are so romantic! But anyway, yeah, what do you think, Lyn, about all this?

Lyn: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I have a hard time teasing out like, what is the larger trend? Because I think all of those things that you were pointing at are like present now and in my generation, as a millennial, or in like younger generations, I feel like a lot of it is just kind of comes down to like…. I feel like across the board people are struggling with how to have a satisfying and like, you know, ‘healthy’ for lack of a better word… or like, ‘sexual freedom’ is something that feels inaccessible. I feel like pretty across the board. Whether that's the freedom to have sex or to not have sex.

I don't necessarily feel like the ways that like sex negative or like anti-sex stuff is playing out in younger generations is like necessarily more virulent or conservative…It's the same stuff of like the reactions against, like, you know, in the sixties, when everyone was like, ‘free love.’ 

…I feel like maybe one of the reasons that this project has resonated…[is] hopefully we've kind of been able to sidestep the kind of like individualist, moralist sense…Like figure out what sex you want to have and be having it, and like, feel very like, I know, kind of like bearing your soul in a way. I feel like one of the strengths of this project is just kind of like, ‘what if we had this as a space and what if you could go there.’... In some ways it is focusing on the question of public sex specifically,which is I think, interesting and appealing to a lot of people, because it's like that's hot, and that is cool. But then there is the real consent question; of like, you know, like not involving someone else unknowingly or non-consensually…It's complicated, but then that's kind of like the point of like a thing like this is like, well, what if there was a space that was like we're saying, this is where it happens and if you don't want to be exposed to it, don't go there…. I don't know, I feel like this is the whole thing about consent that I feel

like doesn't always necessarily get talked about, is like consent means being able to say no when you wanna say no. But it also means being able to say yes when you want to say Yes. 

I feel like that's.…my experience like in the realm of like wanting to be able to do stuff and not being able to for various reasons, whether that's logistically or just having a space.

I mean definitely, especially at the time when I wrote the manifesto that was summer 2021, So it's just like a few months post vaccine, and like…the manifesto especially has this very like like optimist energy. I feel like now I'm a little more cynical in some ways, or I was writing that kind of just to have fun. And so it's a little less cynical than I actually maybe am in my day to day.

But I feel like a lot of that energy very much was coming out of like, ‘Everyone's been cooped up like what if we had this place? Then we could, you know, go outside ventilated, you know. Wear masks if you really want to….

jimmy: Or I mean, yeah, just to circle back to the consent question like a lot of the sort of anti-sex, or what have you positions I see from my peers are sort of framed in this idea of consent that I think is not necessarily in very good faith. [Some say], ‘if you wear leather, I am not consenting to be part of this scene that you're a part of, or whatever this scene that you're participating in, in front of me.’ which is something that I've legitimately heard from my peers when I'm like wearing a leather vest over a T-shirt right, and then been confronted, and then like, well, ‘don't involve me in your kink. I didn't consent to that.’ which is like kind of an extreme version, you know, like, I actually don't think that that's the baseline for some of these more insidious positions… But then you'll see it with regards to like media right? This sort of recent debate over sex scenes in movies. And the question of, ‘well did the reader or viewer consent to be involved in this?’ And then, I guess, broader questions about queer sexuality and movies, you know, like, is it exploitation?

…I think people are trying to have the best of both worlds, where, like queer characters are existing, and like having an explicit sexual relationship in media. But then the more pornographic is somehow excluded on the basis of whether or not you're quote unquote, consenting to be involved.

Raechel:  I think something that kind of comes up for me, and everything that you were saying, and that I really like empathize with…I mean even though I usually roll my eyes [at this kind of discourse]…but I do empathize with the feeling of being afraid in this moment. We are in, you know, an ecological crisis, rising fascism…and I think sometimes when I'm able to tap into empathy to these like fearful, ‘don't violate my boundaries’ kind of conversations is that—also people individually their bodies are, you know, just a lot of us have experienced sexual violence, and other kinds of you know, familial or interpersonal abuse. [So with systemic stuff and personal stuff] I understand the sort of need for safety. And something that I think is interesting is that we need the super sex positive propaganda, even if we're actually more cynical. But I think something that's interesting is like, even if we're like, individually like, I don't know, don't think that it's liberation, you know, don't think that it's the revolution, there's something about this like, belonging of identifying as a leather queer, or like, you know, identifying as just sort of a pervert, or whatever, and having that sort of community.

And I honestly think the same is true of tradwives, right? Like…they've found safety in something. And of course as a D/s person, I'm like—and I'm not the first to say this—but like you could just do D/s and not lose your entire personhood and autonomy! 

But anyway…I think there's something to like that desire for safety and belonging. And so I get that. But it just becomes a bummer when people sort of throw sex under the bus as the the scary thing instead of like…abuse of power, hierarchy, you know, like all of these things that actually create the harm, and not sex itself, or kink itself, or whatever it may be.

What do you think of what you all think of that? Does that make sense?

jimmy: Yeah, I think it's a great way to identify the problem here.

Lyn: Yeah, I think that's huge. And also just I mean, like giving priority, or like power, or acknowledging that pleasure is like something that you can experience and can do if you want to. I think it's something that's just like hard for people, because so much of it has been kind of just taken away from us and sold back to us….Just like sex capitalism, like whatever sex toys.

Raechel: Right, totally.

Lyn: But then, at some point, I was like, ‘Oh, wait! No, I actually do want this.’ and, you know, it's okay to drop some money on something that I'm gonna have fun with in the same way that I would go to a concert, or whatever. I feel like some amount of that sort of sex negativity is like people not giving themselves permission to have pleasure, or to like enjoy things in life. and there's like reasons to be skeptical and like to critique sex capitalism. But at the same time, when that just becomes like, you know, another way to just be kind of self flagellating… 

I feel like you see that some of the kind of more extremely online  radicals who are like, not even necessarily like explicitly sex negative but are like, ‘oh this is distracting our vital energies!’ Right?

Raechel: Yeah, totally. I'm yeah, very. And that's I don't think that's generational. I see that in, like all sorts of generations of Marxist in particular, and it's really upsetting. 

jimmy: Part of it is this sort of classic Foucauldian thing of like, you know, we start from this point of recognizing that our desires or whatever it is that we may desire, whether it be sex or like a hot rod or fucking whatever I don't know—it’s not 1950; I don't know why I said Hot Rod— but in any event our desires are constituted by power. And I can recognize that in myself, in my own king, and whatever, but that doesn't mean that they're not pleasurable.

And it doesn't mean that you can't do the work on the one hand of being like, okay, well, these are the ways that whatever fantasy I'm having, like plays into male power or something like that, well also acknowledging that, like it's a fantasy it's the way I want to fuck. And if you're engaging in it in a way that is healthy for you and your partner or partners, then it's probably more liberating than sitting in your room like being ashamed of yourself for being the bad guy who is like playing with hierarchy or whatever. And I think a lot of people never get past this sort of anxiety-ridden part, or the picking it apart part, and move forward again into pleasure.

But I feel like at least from a lot of the takes I see online, a lot of people never go there. They're sort of caught in this, like, ‘I'm either wholly good and I can escape every sort of hierarchy, or I'm absolutely bad, and I'm only sort of re-producing, you know the abuse of power in, you know, like the back of my mind.’ And it's like very anxiety-ridden, I mean it bums me out, you know, like I feel for these people, cause it's like,  just have some compassion for yourself. If you're not doing the bad thing, then you're probably doing better than a lot of people.

Raechel: Totally. Yeah. I think you explain that so perfectly and obviously Foucault is extremely helpful in thinking about like, ‘is there anything outside of power?’ But then also thinking about, you know, feminist explanations of agency, and all of these things.

But it's so interesting the way that sex or sex related sites of the analysis, or whatever become the thing that that cannot be surmounted, whereas other things like get more of a pass right like the same Marxists that say ‘abolish sex work’, are also still buying like sweatshop clothes sometimes, or whatever. And it's so dishonest when you know they claim that it's a labor thing when it's like, why are you not trying to abolish like I don't know work in any other exploitative fields? So just these sort of basic 101 arguments, but that keep emerging like over and over again, that I feel are still worth unpacking.

So okay…We're talking about power: Can we be outside of it? What is resistance? What is liberation? I guess I just wanted to sort of do some like dreamy thought-experimenting of like, is the public sex forest the post-revolution? Like what does public sex, kinky sex, offer those of who are interested in revolution and liberation work? Does it offer us things? 

jimmy: I mean, I think you know, going back to what I was just saying right like in terms of desire. That it sort of mimics power structures, right? So some sort of like D/s thing or BDSM thing, I do think in the way that it's sort of classically argued that that has value in working through power in a sense, right or like making it playful in this way, that then sort of negates isn't the right word, but unsettles daily life, you know, like there's something about bondage that is so ridiculous to the self that is not cum-drunken, that I think it does not always, but can unsettle power, at least within oneself. It's definitely been productive for me for thinking about it in different ways. And sort of removing it from this, I guess genuinely powerful place, you know. Like, it becomes so much more ridiculous to look at your boss, or whatever when you've just sort of played out that fantasy in a ludicrous way.

Raechel: I love that, like realizing, ‘This is all a joke.’ And that's the other thing that I think people don't talk about enough is like sometimes how silly it can be. Like kinky people are very like, we're just silly sometimes, like we're very playful.

jimmy: Right, like, literally and figuratively, and I think that the alignment with play in like a very literal sense, absolutely aligns it with a joke. You know, like it's almost like in the very Twitter-brain sense: that's camp.

Lyn: Yeah, I feel like, I agree with all of what you were saying to an extent. I don't know. Sometimes I feel like it gets overblown, though, like kind of like, ‘oh, we're subverting power by acting these things out like in some ways.’ I kind of just feel like I don't know if I necessarily do think that sexual communism is the road to communism.

Or whatever as much as I think sex is a good example of one thing that is very restricted and exists in a very unsatisfying way.That is just an amazing and awesome part of life. I think it's like it's one window into the larger reason why we need, you know, systemic upheaval and like change. Because we can take this one specific example of like, have the public sex forest, but also like in our current society, there's no chance that it's gonna be given to us and so I feel like in some ways to me that's almost like the power of it. I mean, there's like, yeah, just kind of having it. This is one example of ways that we're not able to do something that feels just like an important part of life in the same way that are not the same exact way, but in a way similar to like how art is something that's so important to all of us. To just being alive and to connecting with other people on it the same at the same time like, it's totally like fucked up and restricted under capitalism by all these ways that we have to grind our lives out.

I will say that I feel like to me almost sometimes the more powerful experience is just the kind of like dissolving of the self. The classic dissolving the boundaries of the self that happens when you're like, really into it, with someone or someones… I don't know if that's inherently revolutionary…

jimmy: But I think it’s so intertwined with capitalism itself, which is why I would say that sex is a potential site of revolutionary desire, or like almost indicative of where we need to go. Like that moment, I think makes just baseline alienation so much clearer and also a lot of people don't experience that when they have sex, right? Which is not necessarily like stunted or sad, but is definitely sort of symptomatic of the ways that we isolate ourselves from each other in the way that we're isolated from our own desires.

Raechel: Absolutely. Those are such such great points. And you hear this sometimes from people who have a really amazing mushroom trip that you know, they realize their oneness with everything. And for people who are deep into, you know, deviant sex, we’re the people who are having similar experiences of that confrontation with the reality of how separate we are in this capitalist system. And finding that sort of you know, transcendence, or whatever you wanna call it, in some of these really intense kind of sexual moments and experiences.

So yeah, I really appreciate all of what you're saying. And I think you know this book very clearly is grappling with a lot of these questions…. I'm just grateful for spaces like this, where people realize that, like the sex positive camp or the pro sex camp is actually like thinking about all of the same things that the other side is sort of accusing us of. But I think people who actually take radical politics seriously know that it's like a little more complicated. So I really appreciate that answer. 

So maybe something else to connect that to that we can, you know, briefly, talk about is cruising. I’m gonna send everyone over to the podcast…When a Guy Has a Really Fucked Gender. Everybody should go listen to that interview. It's really great and y'all deep dive sort of into Kathy's essay, and it's a wonderful essay. Briefly, if people don't click over, I'm thinking about private property, private space, public/private divides, and how that is sort of related to, you know, radical visions of the future.

So, using that as a segue, let's talk about cruising. Let's talk about the publicness aspect of all of this. For folks who are brand new to this: what is cruising? And also: is it possible to cruise with apps?

So just, brief summary of the cruising question.

Lyn: …When I think of cruising, I think of public spaces where people can go to fuck basically. And that's been like a huge thing within gay culture throughout history really, but especially in like the 1800s, with industrialization and cities becoming more of a thing, that's like pretty much across the board in every city, you know, there's parks and places that people go to. Also sometimes happening in bars or like back rooms and so that's like to me kind of what I think of when I think of cruising.

But then the kind of question has come up more generally, both in Kathy's essay, and then also in conversations that have happened around it, cruising is used more broadly to kind of mean like hooking up with people. Or like going to a space with the intention of picking someone up, whether it's in the bathroom, or to go home with someone. So I guess that's kind of like cruising generally.

jimmy: I guess the question of apps is interesting… With Grindr, or something, you have the same sort of like, okay, we're all on here to fuck online unless you're not on here to fuck. And then you're gonna go tweet about how upsetting it is that everyone on Grindr is trying to fuck. So we're sort of here with this common purpose in a similar sense to the classical, Platonic ideal of cruising, but there's still more mediated, I think, in this way that makes it only cruising-like, at the end of the day. You can kind of expand and narrow your parameters. You can pay money to be able to see more men, or whatever you know, you can block people which you can't really do in the real world. Not that you shouldn't be able to say no, I don't mean that, it's just more mediating in this way that is inherent to it….I get 50/50, someone's gonna host, or we're gonna fuck somewhere else. Whether that's outside or in a bathroom, or in a car, or like some under stall or whatever. But even just the fact that, like that question has to then get further negotiated through the app rather than being like, ‘this is the space.’... I don't wanna… set up some sort of value hierarchy of like this is what the best type of cruising is, and then grinder cruising is down here…

Lyn: Yeah, I think it's useful to have to talk about what the distinction is. As someone who cruises on the apps, but doesn't really cruise in public that much in a sense of like fucking at parks. But I want to do that. I would like to have that exist in a way that would feel comfortable for me to do that. And why is that? Why does that feel difficult? I think that's an important question.

…In Kathy's essay “Cruising for Dykes?”, which…is kind of like trying to explore that question. She frames it somewhat provocatively of saying cruising for dykes has never existed, and can’t exist under our current society. And here's why, and in some ways like I mean, I kind of told her that when I was editing, ‘this is gonna raise some people's hackles, because people are gonna be like, well, no, I cruise in these ways, or that way. And you're kind of like…telling them that that's not actually real cruising. 

And …there's a productiveness to being a little provocative, but it's kind of like…Why does cruising when dykes do it play out in these different ways than cruising when fags do it? I think it's somewhat like a less provocative way of framing that question…but Kathy's conclusions are kind of just that like: “because women don't have free time in the same way that men have free time and don't have control of public space and access to public space.” And you know, even just from an economic standpoint, just don't have the same expendable capital…And, there aren't, you know, dyke bars to the same extent….And Kathy gets into the kind of question too of like the varying levels of violence imposed upon men and women. And I think that there's definitely more to be explored in that. But also, she makes the point, there's lots of violence imposed upon fags and they still do it anyway.

But I think those questions are really important. And it feels so difficult, I think a lot of the point Kathy is making is that it is really hard, and you have to know these subcultural cues. I mean, this is something that I feel like I've done a lot of work to figure out how to fuck comfortably as a dyke. You know, it's taken a lot of work, and it's taken a lot of effort beyond, I think, even just the getting comfortable in my own gender, or whatever I think it takes. And there's kind of somewhat of a fear of making a misstep….and I don't think we can ever get outside of subculture. And I think sometimes when people are like, ‘Oh, we need to get outside of subculture,’ like I think all culture is subculture, but at the same time I think the point of being just like a random person who, like, has no exposure to dyke culture in 2023, just like walking down the street….I think there's a higher barrier to entry, and it takes a lot more work.

Essentially, if it takes more work for dykes to be slutty than it does for fags to be slutty. And that's unfair, and we should figure out how to change that.

jimmy: And sort of conversely, there's this whole history of like fag cruising or whatever that is just absolutely riddled with straight men who have no idea what they're doing…But in a sense there's only so many missteps you can in the dyke world. The fag world is all missteps, you know. We are not very conscientious or kind to each other, and like there's a way, that sort of liberating right, or like generous, I would say, of a sort of almost like, Okay, well, we're never necessarily gonna meet on the same ground but we're gonna extract these pleasures from each other and sort of have an understanding about it…All of this is to say that gay male cultures is generally more welcoming to that, often because there's this existing sort of precedent of man fucking each other and having no bearing on the rest of their life. And having the freedom to do that.

Raechel: Yeah, thank you for all of that…. I think there are really interesting questions to be asked about sort of constructions of safety…

So, I would love to know, is there anything else you want to share about the process of creating the book? like any wisdom for DIY folks who still want to do things old-fashioned ways of self publishing?

jimmy: I've been very inspired by your professionalism, Lynn… You know we both kind of come from the punk, DIY world…but like Lyn just has this higher standard, both visually and sort of professionally, that I think keeps me in check in an important way. You’re the Domme and I think that’s productive for both of us. *laughs*

Lyn: Yeah, I have a hard time not being a perfectionist about my own work….As far as like, takeaways or advice. It’s been a lot of work, but also like it's very doable. Like we just put out this thing….The big takeaway is just do it, just fuckin’ do it.

And also, I don't think we said this, but we've been using the project to raise money for mutual aid.

jimmy: I’m a second generation punk and like what's important to me, my baseline is like just doing projects for free, because I love them, and I feel comfortable putting myself out there in that way, and I feel comfortable like cold emailing people or like cold DMing people to be like, ‘Hey, do you wanna do this thing?’ 

Raechel: I love where that went, because…. I believe in being fairly compensated for your labor, but also as a punk, I'm like, ‘sometimes you just do shit for free.’ 

So…. we've been talking for a long time. Are there any closing thoughts, any last comments?

Lyn: I feel like we haven't said yet, but your essay is amazing, and so hot and fun.  It was such an exciting one to get in the box,...we were like we have this hole that is exactly filled by this piece.

Raechel: I love holes being filled. Sorry, we had to make one of those jokes.

[all laugh]

Lyn: I handed you a softball. 

Raechel: You did. Well, thank you for that. Yeah, it was a pleasure to write it. And to work with you both. And yeah, like I said, I'm so honored to be a part of what is just like a truly hot, silly, smart, amazing, amazing collection. Really grateful for all the work you all did, and yeah, just for the energy you all put out in the world, and thank you for chatting with me about it.

jimmy: Yeah, thank you for having us, for being in the book, making the world a better place.

Raechel: Ditto! Up the punks and up the perverts.